The Road to Brexit (ep 8): what Boris Johnson’s election win means for the UK | FT

We’ve all had enough of this. Getting the Brexit election done. Argh! Too much? No? I’m losing my voice. Right, so Robert, you’ve got
a festive frog in your throat. So I’m going to let you
offload the talking. And you can have light
felt pen duties today because you’re unwell. But anyway, here we
are, results day. And a new blue dawn
has broken, has it not? It has. Tories have got
a majority of 80. It’s a bigger win than I
think either of us expected. I think, as we showed at
the end of the last talk, we both sort of thought the
Tories were going to make it. But I certainly
didn’t think you were going to be anything
like as big as that. No. So how did we get here? Have we got any prediction? We have. In fact, I happen to
know that people refer to this backdrop as the shed. So I’m going to root
around in the shed, where I have some of our old artwork. People have also criticised
us for using paper, saying we should be recycling. So I hope they notice
that we are recycling… Reusing. …our drawings. So essentially, everything
the Tories tried to do worked. And everything the other
sides tried to do to stop them failed. It’s really quite
as simple as that. So the Tories managed to break
through this so-called red wall of Labour heartland seats, not
just right across the north of England but into Wales, where
large chunks of Wales are now Tory. It’s true that the Labour party
hung on in a lot of London, which stays red, and
in other urban seats. But the Tories also held
on in the south of England against the Lib Dems. The Tories’ biggest losses
were in Scotland, where they lost seven of their 13 seats. Other than that, I think
they lost about four seats in the rest of the country. The Liberals took
Richmond Park in London. But a lot of their big
targets they didn’t make. And they didn’t unseat. No seats off them. No. And the Lib Dems didn’t
manage their scalp of the night, which was supposed
to be the foreign secretary Dominic Raab in Esher. But instead of Dominic Raab
being the Portillo moment, the Portillo moment was
Jo Swinson, the Lib Dem leader in Dunbartonshire,
decapitated by the SNP. Very sad end. And Nicola Sturgeon barely
able to contain her joy. Did you see the video there? It’s been a tough fight
between the Lib Dems and the SNP in that seat for
the last three elections. It’s been an awful election
for the Liberal Democrats and for poor old Jo
Swinson in particular. Right. Let’s draw a results map then. Look, I’m going to do
one of my absolutely wonderful geographical messes. Maybe a bit simpler
than last time. Here we go. And here’s Northern Ireland. That’s the Isle of Wight. How’s that? Is that Okay? That looks like something I
put on my dresser, I think. Okay, Okay, so
the SNP is just so dominant north of
the border, no. And actually, that’s
really interesting, because even though the
Tories did way better than we were all expecting
in England and Wales. Actually, we’d begun to expect
that the Tories would hold onto some seats in Scotland. But the SNP really
did very well indeed. They basically chased the
Labour party out of Scotland. They played the grievances
of Scottish voters at being forced into a
Brexit they didn’t vote for. And it has paid off for them
in, and it has paid off for them in this election. On top of which, Nicola
Sturgeon was easily the most effective
political performer on television in the debates. This has obviously raised-… what’s going on down there? I don’t know. I’m just adding the south-west. Carry on, carry on. This has obviously
raised questions about a second
Scottish independence referendum and a new push. And the SNP certainly
are very emboldened. And this will be something
that’s weighing heavily on Boris Johnson’s mind. But you think that this
unexpected majority of 80 actually means the story, as
it continues from this point, could be much more interesting
on Brexit and on the union, right? Because if Boris Johnson had
had a much slimmer majority we may have got out of
the parliamentary deadlock of the hung parliament. But he, the prime minister,
would still have not properly been in control
and possibly would have been still under the
influence of the European Research Group,
the arch-Brexiteers in his own party. The Brexit deadline coming up. He had said he would get the
whole trade deal negotiated by the end of 2020. But actually now
that he’s so powerful and has had such
a convincing win, he’s got way more room to
do more interesting things and to be more flexible, right? And not only has he
got a big majority, but the opposition is shattered. The Labour party is down
to just over 200 seats. It’s going to be fighting
itself for the next six months. The Liberal Democrats hammered. Only the SNP are cohesive. So not only has he
got a big majority, but he’s got it at the time when
the opposition is very weak. Brexit is now going to happen. Correct. By the end of
January, the UK will have left the European Union. So that uncertainty is gone. So that’s happening, he has
more room for manoeuvre and also just more authority. He’s just won a big election. So that’s the biggest
Conservative victory since Margaret Thatcher in 1987. So he’s got all that authority. We don’t know the
extent to which he wants to decouple from the ERG. We know some of his advisers
have contempt for them. But we’re not sure. But I think the point that
you’re making and which I agree with, is that… what? No, it’s fine. Do agree with the
point you think I’m making, because it’s
not the one I’m making. You actually said it. And I was going agree with you. This is most unfair. Because of the
threat of Scotland, because of the new
seats that he has won, it might change his approach
to the Brexit discussions. He’s now got to conduct
the next stage of talks, the trade talks with a mind to
not doing anything that pushes Scotland further away
and keeping happy these new seats
that they have won, the so-called red
wall, the manufacturing heartlands, as were at least, in
the north and in the Midlands. All these seats… There are still
Labour seats there. Yes, of course there are. But I mean, it is quite
striking how much blue there is there now. Those seats have
different priorities to the wealthy south. Quite. And they’ve got
MPs who are going to have to be mindful
of those things if they want to keep their
seats this next election, because as Boris Johnson said,
they’ve been lent these votes. They haven’t got them in
the bag yet for keeps. So it’s manufacturing areas,
areas where the export industries are important. So for that, you need close
trading relationships. So that means
you’re going to have to go for a softer Brexit,
maybe a very soft Brexit. We might be getting
our hopes up. I think if he sticks
to his deadline, it’s only him forcing this
deadline of 2020 on himself, the only type of
trade you can get is a very thin one,
basically tariffs and quotas. The big sticking point is the
issue of regulatory alignment. That’s the thing that makes
frictionless trade possible. That’s going to be what a lot
of these places want to see. Having talked up the
benefits of freedom from regulatory
alignment, he’s going to have to think about
if he really wants that. He’s going to have
to think about how he prioritises a European trade
deal ahead of a US trade deal. US trade deal is the big
political prize of Brexit. Economically, it’s worth
nothing like as much. It’s not even comparable
to a European deal. Let’s talk a bit about Northern
Ireland, because the DUP, the Democratic Unionists,
who had been in coalition with Theresa May, had
then been key allies until Boris Johnson put together
his oven-ready exit deal. But actually, in the
election, the DUP has done really badly
in Northern Ireland. So they’re sort of
disempowered as the voice of Northern Ireland. It’s gone from sort
of orange to green. But of course, in Boris
Johnson’s current withdrawal agreement there is the erection
of a border in the Irish Sea. What happens with that? That’s still going to cause
some problems, isn’t it? My deeply cynical view of this
is that Boris Johnson really just doesn’t care very much
about Northern Ireland. You know, he worked… it
was hard when he was trying to become leader. And although he would not seek
the reunification of Ireland, I don’t think he would think
of it in the way he thinks about the loss of Scotland. Oh, my goodness. And the unionist
MPs, as you were saying, for the
first time, they’re in a minority of elected
MPs from the province. That’s an extraordinary thing. It has to be possible
that a border poll is coming in the next decade. A border poll being
a referendum on which the whole island
of Ireland votes as to whether to become
the republic or not the UK. It’s in play. And these border checks, I
don’t think they necessarily force Northern Ireland into
the hands of the Republic, because it’s actually got
quite a preferential deal in this Brexit deal. But it does mean that
Northern Ireland has to look towards
the European Union as much as it looks towards
the UK for its economic policy and future. So it’s kind of basically
two huge existential topics continuing to be in
play, the future of the UK as a union, and also
Brexit and the relationship with our closest allies and
former fellow member states. But of course, the reason
that the Tory party has won this
stonking majority is by saying, we’ll just get
Brexit out of the way, because there’s a
whole other agenda. Let’s just talk a bit about
what happened to Labour. This is the worst set of results
for Labour in terms of seats in the Commons since 1935. It’s catastrophic. Think that actually,
after a few years in which unanswerable
laws of politics seem to have been suspended. I think actually what happened
here is they returned. The fact is, the Labour party
presented the country with a manifesto that was so
far to the left of what the country’s ever shown itself
ready to accept that they rejected it. And they put at
their head a leader who the country not only
thought was too left wing, but actually thought was weak. They thought, you’ve got
this extraordinary agenda. And there’s no way you
can deliver it anyway. You’re not good enough. So it’s interesting that thing
about weakness, because I think you said you’d been speaking
to some pollsters who had said the catastrophic thing about
Jeremy Corbyn’s prevaricating on Brexitv- was he
Leave, was he Remain? This idea he’d remain
neutral in a referendum. And also possibly his kind of
slightly shrugging attitude to whether the SNP got their
precious second referendum on Scottish independence. It was as much whether that
made him look like a weak leader as it was about the
issues themselves. That’s right. I mean, I think… It’s really interesting that,
because you’d think people would care so much, for
example, about keeping the country together. You would. But I think they also
care more immediately about the issues around
themselves and their own lives. And constitutional issues
always seem more existential until they’re right upon you. A bit abstract. More abstract –
that too, that too. Well, I should have
thought abstraction. But I think it’s going to be
very interesting how the Labour party attempts to process this,
because it’s very clear already that all of the
Corbynites are working. They had a script they
circulated on election night, even before we knew
the results, to explain why they’d done so badly. And the whole structure
was blame it on Brexit. So they’ve hung on, as we
had explained, in London. They’ve also hung on in
sort of central Manchester and other cities. But they’ve done really,
really badly in smaller towns. And these are the places where
people’s job prospects are not good, there’s a lot of poverty. But these have always been
absolutely staunch Labour territory. And now they’ve been
persuaded to vote Conservative for the first time. So it’s a huge
redrawing of the map. It really is. Brexit is the lever that Boris
Johnson used to prise open the Leavers, as it were. And he… Oh, dear. I didn’t even plan that one. But it wasn’t just about
Brexit for all of these people. I think it was also about… Could you just move your
glass for a second. . I’m going to do my little… I think it was also about the
factors that got them voting for Brexit in the first place. The working class vote
in a lot of these places swung heavily to the Tories,
even in the Remain seats. It wasn’t just in
the Leave seats, because I think this notion of
saying to people, you’re poor, you can’t help
yourself, we the state are going to provide
all the things for you, take these free things, is
not actually that appealing to a lot of people. They want a sense of aspiration. They want a path out. They want a notion that
if you do this for me, I can climb out myself,
of whatever hole I’m in. I can improve my life. I just need a bit of help. And I think the Labour agenda
of lots and lots of public provision, lots of free
stuff, didn’t actually speak to people’s own sense of pride. So when Ed Miliband was Labour
leader in the 2015 election, their policy programme was
ridiculed by one of their US Democrat advisers as vote
Labour, get a free microwave. And there was a sense with
this Labour manifesto, it was like get a whole new
fitted kitchen or whatever else, your list of bribes. And someone who’ll cook for you. And actually, interestingly,
the polling conducted by Lord Ashcroft, I thought,
was so interesting, because it showed that the
Labour leavers who rejected the Labour party this time
and voted Conservative, the sort of fear of a second
referendum and unpicking Brexit was only their third concern
on their list of concerns. Their number one
concern was they worried about Jeremy Corbyn
in Number 10 Downing Street. And their second concern
was this crazy list of spending pledges. Yeah, and the two are
linked, of course. They didn’t trust him
making all predictions. I think that’s absolutely right. And of course, Labour supporters
will argue that this was all down to a vilification campaign. And it is true that any Labour
leader, and him in particular, has to weather a hostile
media environment. But the truth is,
that’s the weather. And you have to be
able to deal with it. And Jeremy Corbyn
showed no readiness to deal with that agenda. He thought after 2017 they’d
found a miracle way around it. But the truth is, he didn’t
go out and contest it. He frequently was
absent in major points in British politics,
particularly after Brexit. And people looked at him and
just thought, you’re not there. So the other thing with the
Labour vote is it piles up in places they don’t
need it, right? So even though it’s
true that lots of people registered to vote in the last
few weeks before the election, even though there may have
been a slight increase in young people turning out
to vote, which they don’t do in such great numbers as
older voters who tend to vote Conservative,
those votes, again, were in places they
didn’t need them. And Jeremy Corbyn going around
the country doing his election rallies, he kept turning up
in safe Labour seats to rally the faithful rather
than reaching out. Although, some of these seats
the Tories took were safe Labour seats quite recently. I was talking to our
data genius John Murdoch about what are the
demographics showing. And he hadn’t got
all the data yet. But what he said was he
thought that the really extreme division of young and old
that characterised the last election, where Labour
absolutely mopped up to about 40-something years
old, and the Tories, the other side of that line. He said he didn’t think it
was quite as sharp this time. And that actually, there
were younger voters voting Conservative in
these kind of seats, and that the divisions
we’re seeing, they were around social
class, wealth, and education. The interesting question, or
one that is going to play out, is whether Labour
lost all these seats, because it tried to pander to
the Remain side, or whether, had it failed to pander
to the Remain side, it would have done worse. Clearly, the
Corbynite narrative is very much, we tried to pander
to Remain, that’s why we lost. I don’t think it’s
as clean as that, because I think Labour
got a lot of seats. And it saved itself
in a lot of places by dint of being the
only Remainish party. So the other party that
had a really bad night was the poor old Lib Dems. Look, here we are. And as we’ve said,
Jo Swinson actually lost her seat by 100-odd
votes in East Dunbartonshire in Scotland. They picked up a few
seats from the Tories but not a lot of the ones
that they’d hoped for. Being the sort of outrageously
optimistic types, even in near-death
experiences, they’re very chatty about the number
of second places they’ve lost for another election. But of course, with a
comfortable majority now, there isn’t going to be
another election as soon as we possibly thought they
would be if there were a hung parliament. So they’re going to
struggle, the Lib Dems, to find any relevant
role, aren’t they, in this parliament? Yeah, I mean, I’ve been
really rough on them. If you think back to June,
talk of them getting back to 50 or 60 seats did not
seem at all incredible. It’s been the most
brutal squeeze. And it’s happened in a very,
very short space of time. They didn’t have
a great campaign. But I still think
most of it was down to just the brutalities of the
first past the post system. So I think they
had a bad campaign. But I think there’s a kind
of political law of physics, which is that if the electorate
are quite happy to see the Labour leader
in Downing Street, they’re comfortable
voting Lib Dem. And that’s in this
territory here. If this territory here is
worried about the Labour party in power, they
don’t vote Lib Dem, because they’re worried
about letting Labour in. Well, that’s was absolutely
what we saw under Tony Blair. I mean, the Lib Dems’ greatest
recent period of success was in the era of Tony
Blair and Gordon Brown. That actually – mistakes just
didn’t – if were a Tory voter, losing didn’t look
that big a risk. And actually, I suspect for
some moderate Labour voters, the same way. Actually, it’s only David
Cameron, what could he do to the country? So I think you’re
completely right. The more stark the
choice, the harder it is for middle parties. I mean, the Lib Dems’ high
watermark was 2005 under Charles Kennedy when… You think in share of the
vote, it was 2010 or so. Yeah, but in seats, it was 2005. And I think that’s really
interesting, because I think people were happy to have
Blair in Downing Street, but they wanted to give
him a kicking over Iraq. Yes, but without that sort
of friendly factor towards the Labour leader more
broadly, they just struggle. And I think they’ve completely
lost touch with that idea. I think both the
parties of the left, the Lib Dems and
the Labour party, because the Lib Dems still
are kind of centre left, for all the Nick
Clegg coalition era, they’ve just completely lost
touch with this sort of law of British politics. What can they do about it? It’s not a law they can affect. No, there isn’t. So there’s nothing
they could have… I don’t know… Well, they can hang
on in there and build. I mean, they’re in government
in Wales as it happens. A lot of the MPs who stood as
independents defied the whip, they all lost their seats. The MPs who defected from
Labour to the Liberal Democrats. Gary Locke. They all lost their
seats as well. You know, some really brave and
good people, Luciana Berger, Sam Gyimah, Anna
Soubry, David Gauke. They’re all gone. So parliament has lost a
lot of these people who stood up and were counted
on Brexit and other issues during that campaign. And it’s going to be a much
more monolithic parliament. So what do you
think’s going to be the most significant
point of tension then in the next few months? I think that the SNP
is, to some extent, talking the talk on
an early referendum. I don’t think they either
expect or necessarily want that referendum in 2020. The polls aren’t yet
showing them a majority that they would win. So I think for the
moment, they want to talk the talk about the
beastly English are not letting us have our referendum. Let the Brexit talks go on,
and see how that plays out. If they win in 2021 in
the Holyrood Scottish parliamentary
elections, they’re going to find it very difficult
not to demand a referendum. And although Boris Johnson’s
people were saying today, well, we’re simply not going
to have it, there’s been one, I think, what are they
going to do, turn Scotland into Catalonia? They’re going to refuse
to allow a referendum? I don’t see how that works. So I think we’ve got a
year of shadowboxing. And then we’ll see
where we are in a bit. You know, when May took
over as prime minister, she made a big deal of flying up
to Edinburgh on the first day, shaking hands with Sturgeon,
and saying this is going to be an inclusive process. Of course, it wasn’t at all. But it would potentially
be possible to actually then conduct the
trade negotiations, work towards the
final Brexit deal in a way that includes
Edinburgh and perhaps a newly revived
Stormont Northern Irish assembly and the Welsh. Is there not a way
binding all together? Because with the
DUP weakened, that’s a chance to revive
the Stormont assembly. The problem with it is
conducting these talks with the SNP. If you’re conducting
it with Holyrood, you’re conducting it
with the SNP there. And they have no incentive to
be helpful in terms of what Boris Johnson wants to achieve. And it’s win-win for them. Either they get a
much softer Brexit than he wants to
give them, or they get to say their
Brexit strategy has been denied by the brutish
English government. So I don’t know about that. But I think he could include
more Scottish Conservatives and try to use people
like Ruth Davidson, for example, much more to
project a Scottish sense. And I do think it could be
the cover for him showing much more flexibility in
the next year of trade talks than we necessarily
were led to assume when we looked at the manifesto. Do you think we should talk
about the Brexit party? Well, they just faded
away, didn’t they, having decided to stand down? But then they potentially
took quite a lot of votes off the Labour party and made it
easier for the Tories to win those seats. It does look like in quite a
few seats, they made a real… We’ve lost our pale blue. You’ve got the pale blue. It made a real difference
to taking votes from Labour. There were seats where
they split the vote. And the Labour MPs like Dan
Jarvis in one of the Barnsley seats survived, because the
Brexit party and Tory party vote split. By and large, they weren’t
unhelpful to what Boris Johnson was trying to achieve. I still thought
in the last week, it was quite hard to
understand what the Brexit party were playing at. Nigel Farage was saying he was
going to spoil his ballot paper or then start a new party called
the Reform Party to campaign for proportional
representation so that they could have a permanent say. Is what we’re
concluding from all this that he’s, Boris Johnson
is so empowered now by this majority of 80 that he
can be a kinder, gentler Boris? Well, it’s possible. We ought to find out. We’ll need a little bit
more about the new MPs and see what the composition of
the new Conservative party is. I think you’re right
that he is empowered. For a while at least, he’s going
to be able to do what he wants. He’ll reshape his cabinet. Some of the people
who were less lovable might find themselves out. The Rees-Moggs? I wasn’t going to name names. I’m going to name a name again. The Rees-Moggs? Anyway, he’ll have a
bit of a honeymoon now. He’ll have the honeymoon
he didn’t really get when he won the
leadership before. And he will be able to take
the Conservative party, the government, and therefore
the country in the direction he wants for a while. The nature of the
trade negotiation is, well, Britain
is still the weaker partner in all of these talks. And Scottish nationalism is a
force that he can’t control. So it’s been a very, very
good week for Boris Johnson. He’s won. He’s been vindicated. He’s going to get a
period of political grace. But I don’t think
it’ll last five years. So I would say that he
can do what he wants now. It’s just that we don’t really
know what it is that he wants. Do you think he knows? No. On that cheery thought.

100 thoughts on “The Road to Brexit (ep 8): what Boris Johnson’s election win means for the UK | FT

  1. Everybody knows that the boat is leaking
    Everybody knows that the captain lied
    Everybody got this broken feeling
    Like their father or their dog just died…
    Everybody knows the deal is rotten
    Old Black Joe's still pickin' cotton
    For your ribbons and bows
    And everybody knows.     Leonard Cohen

  2. Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
    Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
    Everybody knows the war is over
    Everybody knows the good guys lost
    Everybody knows the fight was fixed
    The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
    That's how it goes
    Everybody knows

  3. Conservative landslide… everyone who earns under 50k should just leave the country now….seriously get out while you can. #taxthesh!toutofthepoor #foodbanks #modernslavery

  4. It means a no deal Brexit. His main backers won't support him if it's anything less. He make it look like he is trying to strike a deal but when time is up he will throw his arms up in the air and blame the EU even though it is in their intrest to get any sort of deal. He will then crash out of the EU and then the disater strikes and the country is plunged into economic turmoil. He will be desperaye to strike up trade deals and because of yhe Uks position of weekness countries like the USA will have a field day dictating the terms and conditions , good bye NHS. It will still take years to gammer out the details but at least it is something right. I forgot to mention the shortages of goods food and medicines because nothing is ready for a no deal scenario.

  5. 08:05 For clarity….. A border poll is carried out in Northern Ireland ONLY. Then and only then, if the result is reunification, will the Republic has a referendum to see if they want it also.

  6. U.S. economy is bigger than the EU's especially without the UK. The U.S. presents a much larger market and with changes in supply chains, the U.S. could replace the EU as a trading partner. But none of that's necessary but still a much bigger prize for the UK than the EU. Move aside the politicians and the markets will adjust to the UK consumers' benefit.

  7. Scotland is now more likely to be Independent next year than before because of Boris and Brexit it was 50% for independence last month but this will skyrocket with the election results…

  8. The Labour voting north lent their votes to the Tories to "get Brexit done" as Labour wasn't willing to do it. Why would they now be wanting a soft "marsh mallow" Brexit? With such a good majority, the Tories can now turn up the pressure on the EU to get the deal they want and that's what the north wants.

  9. From Brazil, a fascinated by British politics kind of guys. These two give us a masterclass in contemporary British politics. Please don't stop this series!

  10. More votes went to NI unionist parties than seperatist ones, in the case of a referendum vote percentage is what will matter, not seats in government

  11. I'm going to miss the on again/off again sexual tension of these videos now that election season won't come around for another 5 years.

    Please talk about politics on a weekly basis from now on. I always enjoyed seeing Miranda on this week and I've not seen Robert anywhere else, but glad I found him here.

  12. The Financial Times thinking that going to centre ground for Labour is how to win is ludicrous considering how bad the Lib Dems did

  13. 54% of Scots voted for unionist parties. Once we have left the EU there is no chance of Scottish independence. It would mean a hard border and passport checks between England and Scotland. If they are let into the Eu then they need to adopt the Euro and prior to that Scotland will need its own currency

  14. I get fed up of hearing about this lazy approach that the media is right wing and that it alone uses nasty ad hominem attacks on poor Labour leaders. Are The I, The Independent, The Guardian, The Observer, The Mirror, The Sunday Mirtor, The People, The Metro, Huffington Post, The Canary, The Morning Star, Channel 4, BBC and the list goes on 'right wing'??? And take a look at any column in any Guardian opinion piece. They are full of nasty personal invectives against Boris Johnson. Of couse he is big enough not to care, but to argue it's all one way is simply untrue, especially in the internet age.

  15. Visible glee at the FT, as a government for the rich, by the rich, sweeps into power stealing Nigel Farage's work of the last 25 years lol.

  16. these people are so spot on. northerners are not suppliants. this election has once again put the north in a position of power. Blair failed to do this, hence the collapse of support during his and brown's time.

  17. Alternatively, the Tories do gerrymandering just as the Republicans have done in the US, make swooping changes to the regulatory and constitutional arrangements of the UK and embed these in international (free trade) agreements, play the immigration card, fan the flames of sovereignty and nationalism and take their chances of anybody being able to undo wha they have done in 5-10 years. Thatcher did the same and the UK has never been the same.

  18. Alternatively, the Tories do gerrymandering just as the Republicans have done in the US, make swooping changes to the regulatory and constitutional arrangements of the UK and embed these in international (free trade) agreements, play the immigration card, fan the flames of sovereignty and nationalism and take their chances of anybody being able to undo wha they have done in 5-10 years. Thatcher did the same and the UK has never been the same.

  19. You don't seem to be aware that Rees-Mogg is very much liked by the northern working class who voted Tory. Getting rid of him will be very unpopular with the aspirational working class and lower middle class who constitute the new Tories. Check out the comments and likes/dislikes in response to the Daily Mail's article about the Cabinet reshuffle that suggested JRM might be out.

  20. I'm amazed that ostensibly learned people still cling to the infantile idea that Brexit is about economics. It beggars belief.

  21. Most likely sales of red pens will be forbidden at a point of time in future because it is a dangerous reminder of what was. Britain has always been Brezi. They just did their dirty work in the colonies. They took some to Australia. Like they like that sort of clean business. They cleaned Iraq. Like nothing is going to stop them. So let them. You, sit on the sofa and enjoy the show. Those who will suffer would have suffered anyway. You are not responsible for it from now on. You can rest. The PM told you so. Trust him. Just float. Tories do not want your leftist views anyway. Don't fight. Let them take themselves clearly to their destiny. Let them become so self confident that they make the mistakes and not you. This is my advice to the left. Look at Gandhi what he did, or rather not do. The brezis were baffled out of the bloody country and no blood was shed.

  22. They keep talking about the red wall wanting a softer brexit, where did they get that idea from? My take was the old industrial heartlands want a harder brexit (one of the many reasons they didnt back Labour)… they want their industry back, not scraps from the Germans table? You can say its a mistake but its could also a mistake not to try (with addition of never knowing/proving them wrong)? * btw jrm is very likeable.

  23. This format strikes a great balance between structure, information and conversational flow – so few other shows / webseries manage that.

  24. SNP don't want a referendum, I agree with that. Why not force one on them then? We know that Dom is an advocate of Sun Tzu, how might that dictate a policy?

  25. The FT portraying Jhonson as under the influence of the ERG. Lmao. The truth is he has a majority tto crush the "soft Brexiteers(remainers)."

  26. In terms of votes gained, the LibDems easily won this, yet they lost 1 seat overall, including their leader, targeted massively by the SNP while she campaigned away for others. They gained 1.2million votes (4.2%). Johnson by contrast gained only 300,000 votes at about 1%, yet FPTP voting took him from 9 seats short of a majority to a massive majority.
    Also, the Greens received over 3% of the vote at 1 million for just 1 seat, similar to the Brexits on zero seats. But the SNP on just 3.9% with hardly any increase, won 47 seats, including an extra 11. There is no fairness, no democratic representation and no moral legitimacy for this Tory majority government. PR voting has to arrive, or Britain is doomed to 1 party elective dictatorship government. Putin is proud of what he's helped to happen

  27. Imagine being so out of touch you think Boris going for a softer Brexit will keep support in the north… We were the ones that wanted Brexit you sausages.

  28. I totally agree with the other comments – wonderful presenters, really enjoyable to watch, good natured and informative. I so hope there will be more on other topics or ongoing developments 🙂

  29. American here:This analysis without apparent bias is so refreshing. Granted their public school accents add 30 pts to their apparent IQ.

  30. The Scottish people want the 10.50 minium wage we don't want the SS sturgoun and Sweeny …..Everything the snp touch they break and when they build it's back hand for government contracts ….and it needs rebuild …what boris will do is his promises prosperity for the many .If she says I want another ref that's her liying again. She got her once in a lifetime ref and the people voted to stay …I'm sick of sll the hate she causes and sick of her one track mind of bresking up the union and she keeps living on the past. What's she saying sbout all our war brittish ear vets my great grandad died for his country white on the Scots grey mount princess street …what did her grand father do …a drunken abusive man …..

  31. Why does everyone wonder what Boris Johnson wants?. He has no ideas, no ambitions, no vision (other than Boris Johnson). The question should be what does Dominic Cummings want?

  32. The 'red wall' in the north, is also the heartland of UKIP and the Brexit Party. Hard line brexiters 'crossed the floor' for Johnson. That's a big deal. How does keeping them happy, make a soft brexit more likely?

  33. Hang on, Labour took all 4 seats in Bristol, the city of the south west. Why is she colouring it all blue !
    Did 535'000 people just cease to exist !
    This is some Tory fecking propaganda Bulshit going on here.

  34. The financial times are Liberal Democrats like the rest of the mainstream media. They are detrimental to their own cause

    the Scotland and norther Ireland are now in the hands of mortal enemies of Brexiteers and
    they will do to UK exactly what the rattlesnakes, Boris and Farage have don to EU.
    For this impending disaster, the Brexiteers will have only themselves to blame.


    Zulfiqar Tareen, a friend of all, the enemy of none.

  36. Hurrah!! Its now onward and upward to eye-watering wealth inequality, better than the 'Gilded Age' Joy oh Joy The diseases of poverty (malnutrition, scurvy and rickets) are already back with us, and can now expand exponentially with the Tories guaranteed assistance.
    Its so heart-warming to hear of the wonderful food and clothes banks available in the former Labour heartlands. Boris is such a kind 'toff, he will probably throw in a few clogs (strictly for the deserving——not the mendacious of course).
    Just imagine life in BoJo's English version of Singapore (Engapore) Forelock tugging will be mandatory on all zero hour contract employees. Spitting or discarding chewing gum on the street will be a capital offence.
    This is what we need: ''A bit of discipline''. Bring it on.

  37. Brexit needs 2 soft borders, one at the North Ireland border, the other at the Irish Sea. Offer dual citizenship to North Ireland residents, for a limited time period, who may travel freely, across soft borders to Ireland and UK. Goods manufactured in North Ireland should be regarded as domestic products, with no trade taxes, to both Ireland and UK. Irish goods and citizens should travel freely across soft borders to North Ireland, with discretion employed to ensure that the dual citizenship entitlement is not abused by non-Irish, EU citizens seeking to circumvent UK immigration rules, which was the bloody reason for Brexit to begin with. UK goods and citizens should travel freely across a soft border to North Ireland. EU and international citizens and goods would require border checks, visas, and tax at the North Ireland and Irish Sea borders, eventually. The soft border between North Ireland and UK will be very easy to monitor, thru a few ferry boats, ports, and airports. The best way to work out the soft border between North Ireland and Ireland may be to gradually build checkpoints and gradually increase the monitoring, eg: maybe start with a quick check of cars or trucks with non-Irish license plate registrations. Post some signs on the backroads indicating that individuals lacking Irish citizenship must cross at an official border checkpoint. There could be something like a TSA pre-check at the Irish borders for UK and Irish citizens, who could just self scan an ID when passing the soft border, with random monitoring. For the Irish, it is a matter of pride to consider North Ireland as part of Ireland, and taxing Irish milk or eggs across an Irish border is abominable. Most in North Ireland firmly regard themselves UK citizens, and a hard border separating them from the UK is unacceptable. The solution is 2 soft borders, that may be gradually firmed up over a long period of time, after careful analysis of problems encountered in actual deployment of the borders. Having 2 soft borders will strengthen sense of unity the Irish desire, and also strengthen the relationship between the UK and Ireland, and make extremist demands for Irish unification and absolute independence from, or enmity with, the UK less relevant. Brexit could be framed as a big 'win' for the Irish, who could have all the advantages of the EU in the south, but could also pop up to the north to avail of UK goods without the EU restrictions or taxes on non-EU imports. Brexit it often described as a UK 'divorce' from the EU. If played right, Brexit could kindle a spark of reconciliation between the UK and Ireland, who have cooled down from the tumultuous split up a hundred years ago, and may now have the peace of mind to recognize they still have a lot in common, such as their language and several hundred years of shared history together.

  38. It's funny how the political classes think the Conservative majority result was because of brexit. It wasn't. It was because people voted for Boris because they couldn't vote for Tommy Robinson.

  39. The Conservatives gained more seats, but in terms of share of the vote, Anti-Brexit parties gained a bigger increase than Pro-Brexit parties.


  41. @6:30 She says "we might be getting a soft Brexit… a very soft Brexit" To which he replies "we might be getting our hopes up"
    You ask the media why they are being bias and they deny they are.
    At the point of those comments they mention manufacturing… as if Europe are the only serious investors in the world that might like to set up manufacturing in the UK. How does he know what other world investors might want against a heavily subsidized Europe? He doesn't nor can he know.

    Well excuse me, I think those remarks convey the obvious position of were the bias is. You cannot expect to be informed by the MSM. You can confirm by where they put their emphasis that you'll seek out what they're not mentioning through other sources. Be clear of their bias, they have still learned nothing as they continue to attempt to manipulate you in their support of a global elite.
    After all, they themselves have got used to tax subsidies and art funds. They most certainly are not independent agents.

  42. FT. Please don’t use market research and focus groups to tell you how to think. They don’t work! Robert & Miranda are really good. They’re intelligent, entertaining and objective. So much better than the TV presenters. More of this please.

  43. Some errors in the video. It wasn't the far left policies that lead to labour's fall, or brexit, according to the data from Opinionista's study. Almost half of labour defectors were because of the leadership.

  44. Can't wait to watch the brexiteers crying rivers of tears as their gas and electricity bills climb, i mean who would be dumb enough to make the trading of gas and electricity even more difficult as well as adding new tarrifs for outside the EU trading block…….oh wait, brexiteers that is who, so keep that spare cash ready as you are going to need it….next up, food and medicine.

  45. I can't believe that after that election you come to the conclusion that the way to hold the north is to have a soft Brexit and keep regulatory alignment with the EU. How many times do they have to vote for a real Brexit before people in London start to understand?

  46. Follow The Money Honey. GDP per capita.

  47. It’s so pathetic of labour and Lib Dem’s supporters especially this woman in red to suddenly think Boris will do a softer Brexit. Why on earth would he do it? This is your desperation, grasping of straws. It’s sad. It’s pathetic. It resembles an illness you have. This is why shocks happen. You’re so deluded you don’t see what’s obviously coming and when it does you literally cannot believe it simply because of the delusion you are in.

    People listen. Boris has not suddenly became a Remainer just because he has a majority. He has for a long time said no customs union, no single market, no political or economic alignment. It’s that simple. Now he’s won you think he’ll go against that?? Hahahahahahahahahahahaha

  48. This is a turning point for Britain it won't be called the United Kingdom anymore as Scotland will soon be Independent, N Ireland will soon join Ireland so Wales and England will have to be called rUK (rest of the UK) or little Britain

  49. It means tariffs and a no deal Brexit,a depression with balance of payments crisis,massive borrowing,ignoring climate change, and as Trump,s poodle,war with Iran.

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